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P-F

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Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 2:22 PM
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This one's aimed at Ananda, but all input is welcome.
I was thinking of setting up a tank to breed mollies in, SW specifically so I can use the fry as planktonic food.
advice on setup, breeds, anything is useful.
thanks all,
PF


Prometheus

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 3:09 PM
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Whats SW?
Well, I think almost any breed is good, but if you're just raising them for food, I would suggest just getting your plain mollies. I beleive 4-7 females per male is reccommended. A 10 gallon tank with heater, filter, aeration, and 2 rounded tablespoons of salt should keep them happy.

P-F

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 3:17 PM
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SW= salt water

Prometheus

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 3:26 PM
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Interesting. I've never heard of salt water mollies....only brackish ones.

I)arkFish

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 4:17 PM
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man breeding fish for food how cruel are u.

Prometheus

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 4:22 PM
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Thats stupid. What do you call carniverous fish? Yeesh. Thats like telling someone they are stupid for raising livestock.

P-F

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 5:04 PM
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> man breeding fish for food how cruel are u.

In some parts of the world, that's called farming.

cruel is buying a rabbit for Easter without looking into it's care.
cruel is moving and leaving your pets behind
cruel is not keeping your cat indoors, indoor cats live on average well over 10 years sometimes into their 20's, outdoor rarely make it to 7, most die by 2 (cars are the number 1 killer)
cruel is not spaying or nuetering your pets so you have to dispose of unwanted kittens or puppies, by say, putting them in a sack with a rock in it and throwing it off a bridge
trust me, I know what cruel is. buying mollies, and keeping them to the best of my ability, and catching their fry as food for my reeftank is not cruel. maybe somewhat cold hearted and calculating, but not cruel.

Prometheus

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 5:30 PM
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P-F, thats not coldhearted or calculating at all. Think about it, is it more humane to just let them A) get eaten by their parents (who don't, nutritionally wise, need them), or B) letting them grow into adults and having 25 mollies in a 10 gallon and all the fish being miserable, or taking the young and putting them to good use? To me, the answer is obvious.
Organisms eat organisms. Big deal. Many animals can't survive without meat products (cats for instance).
And you're right, all of the examples you gave of true cruelty really do fit the label. Take good care of your animals, and you aren't being cruel. If that means population control (we do it with deer, for their own sakes), then so be it. At least the fry are going towards a good purpose.

Prometheus

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 5:37 PM
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Interesting...I actually just read a page at animalatlas.com on mollies, and they said mollies are often considered saltwater fish!!! I didn't know that! I guess then we are talking about the same species! :D Mine are just brackish babes though, since I also have a plecostomus.

vintage_fish

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 7:02 PM
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> man breeding fish for food how cruel are u.

Y'know, I eat meat. Humans were designed to eat meat; there are essential amino acids that we can only get from eating meat that we need to survive healthily. We breed cows for food for ourselves. We ALL feed our fish bits of things that used to be living, if we feed even simple flake food (look at the indredients sometime!!). Frankly, I think raising mollies for saltwater feeding is a wonderful idea; it eliminates such atrocities as feeding freshwater feeder fish to saltwater carnivores.

Why did people get into the fad of keeping mollies in freshwater, anyway?? They really do better in at least brackish water. They thrive in all-out marine water. Just acclimate sssslllloooowwwwllllyyyy. But you probably already knew that.

Ananda

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 28, 2003 7:57 PM
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> there are essential amino acids that we can only get from eating meat that we need to survive healthily

Not quite 100% true... you can get them from milk, eggs, other non-meat sources....

As to raising mollies, given that you have sw systems already:
- Use the change-out water from your reef systems. Mollies won't mind the nitrates.
- If you're running an RO/DI system, use the reject water for the molly tanks. I've read of people doing that, but don't have an RO/DI to try it. (Besides, I have too many phosphates already in my source water.)
- Or do both...make the molly tank water part of each.
- Varying the salinity a bit every now and then keeps the ichs at bay.
- Mollies will eat just about anything, and they're pigs, too. "Over"-filtration is a good thing. Shoot, if you have any sort of old skimmer kicking around, use it.
- They do need green foods. Spirulina's a favorite. Mine go goofy over floating spirulina pellets, or OSI spirulina flake (which also has lots of shrimp in it), or sinking pleco pellets.
- They go nuts over any sort of bloodworm, blackworm, etc, whether live, freeze-dried, or frozen.
- If you plan on doing this on a fairly large scale, check out Jehmco at www.jehmco.com ... excellent prices on fish food in quantity. Do the math and you'll never buy tiny jars of stuff again.
- Mollies are NOT intelligent fish. When the snails fall off the glass, invariably one or two mollies will taste them to see if they're food.
- If you have to take off for a week, drop the s.g. in the tank to practically zip, and throw in some Elodea/Egaria densa -- the mollies will munch on the leaves.
- You're going to want a species or variety that drops fry monthly. Not all of them do. I *think* the commonly-available black ones do.
- The black ones are also reported to be the best at munching down algae. I'm quoting someone from Aquabotanic's forums on this; I use other fish to keep the algae in check.
- I'd suggest avoiding the brown ones. I was never able to keep those for more than six months. Actually, I suspect any of the red-eyed varieties (aka the "albinos") are more fragile than the others. My one remaining red-eyed molly, all pale orange, is half the size of other mollies his age.
- Some mollies sexually differentiate after only 2-3 months. Those are the fish that will be the smallest adults. The ones that put more early energy into growth will be the biggest adults. My biggest male is Spike Jr, aka The Molly Formerly Known As Spike-ette, who looked like a female for over a year....
- Ghost shrimp are useful for keeping the molly tank clean, as they'll eat the food the mollies miss, as well as provide molly treats in the form of shrimp larvae. I think that these shrimp have distinct genders (unlike, say, cleaner shrimp), as in one tank with four shrimp, there are usually three that are carrying eggs while the smallest one isn't.

Any specific questions? :-)

P-F

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 31, 2003 11:49 AM
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Thanks Ananda and all, that's a big help.

I've read about breeder traps, are those the little plastic "houses" you can get with the inverted V shaped bottoms?

Any ideas on where I can find out which breeds drop fry monthly? and just how big are the fry anyway? 1/4" long?
roughly adult artemia sized?

thanks all!

Ananda

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 31, 2003 1:46 PM
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Skip the breeder traps. They stress the fish. You're much better off using something like fake plants for the fry to hide in. Plastic wheat grass is great for this -- it floats, and the adults can't get at the fry, which hide in the grassy stuff. To catch the fry, you just get the big net and put it under the wheat grass, then lift both wheat grass and net: by the time the fry figure out they're threatened by the net, it's too late.

In addition to the floating cover, you can use a layer of marbles on the bottom of the tank. The fry hide between the marbles.

You'll also want some cover for the female to hide in while she has the fry, especially if you don't keep the very-pregnant females in individual tanks.

Poecilia velifera, P. latipinna, P. schenops, and P. mexicana are the most commonly seen species. The first two are the sail-finned varieties; the latter two are short-finned (relatively speaking!). Mine are P. velifera or P. latipinna, which are very difficult to differentiate. Some of my males look just like the one pictured at http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?genusname=Poecilia&speciesname=velifera. Fishbase lists P. latipinna as having a 28-day gestation period, so I suspect mine are possibly P. velifera. P. schenops is also listed with the 28-day gestation period.

The fry I've seen are usually about 1/4" long.

P-F

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Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 31, 2003 3:18 PM
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very cool. the floating wheat grass sounds like the way to go.
now to buy a house to put the setup in.

Guest
Re: Sw molly breeding for fry Posted: Mar 31, 2003 5:17 PM
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Hah! My best friend is looking over my new house. She says, can't put that little tank (QT) there, too much like tank maintence and it is the focal point of the room. The water buckets can't go here. She is going nuts-- everywhere is water stuff, not necessarily the tank.

Suppose I start getting clownfish fry and start....
:-)

--des

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